Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#1
Some time ago i postedon here about the real thoughts behind the so called indy alliance, speaking with members at the time and since they told me how the leader was a control freak and how they left the alliance because of it, some well respected business people.
that brings me to our friend david, who always stated his clear indy mind, not ever wanting to be part of a political party.
once we saw the demise of the indy party, we then saw(as many suspected) david join the tories.
directly this became known the tories stopped david from posting
you will recall it was tory members some time ago that said the local labour party stopped its members posting(totaly untrue)
To even this up (as we now thankfully have no lib dems cllrs in this district cant cant comment on them.
but on the labour side, a recently elected cllr was asked to take up some case work in his long reply to the constituent he as good as said, my role(as a cllr) is to take up your case if you don't get a satisfactory reply from the council.
what this indicates is that not only is the old council officer led, but the new incoming councillors are much the same
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
sadly keith is right here personal ambitions do take precedence over ethics when politics comes into play.
seen it too often here in dover to have any other opinion.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#3
But, but, but, but, but, but Keith. You are painting a picture that describes an end to hustings, to manifestos, to dreams, debate and desire.
You speak of a time when the ruling party is certain that we have realised the best of all possible worlds.
We've done it!
We should all show our support by registering to vote and putting a cross against these councillor's opponents names on the ballot paper to show our disdain for their carping and whinging.
We've done it?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
Keith - the Conservative Party is not like Labour - it does not stop people posting. You have been told this before but, as is so often the case, you choose to ignore the facts.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#5
I'm a Councillor and I've never been asked to stop posting. Paul Watkins, the Leader of DDC, posts on here too.
"my role(as a cllr) is to take up your case if you don't get a satisfactory reply from the council.
what this indicates is that not only is the old council officer led, but the new incoming councillors are much the same".
Many councillors of all pursuasions, take up their constituent's cases if they have no joy from direct contact with the Council - why should that mean the Council is officer led ?
DDC is, in the main, Member-led, but some department seem not to be.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#6
ROGER;
You will be aware the council has always been(and still is)officer led.
of course members are unable to commit the time to run councils, many do it on a few hours a day or less
Officers are right to fill the space.
but I think even peter agrees with me on this one????
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#8
peter
getting a bit worried mate we agree to much lately lol
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#9
Actually, Keith, I agree with quite a lot of what you and your Labour colleagues say.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#10
peter;
I probably agree less the labour party does these days, but thats me
I probably have as many friends who associate themselves with tory views than labour.
funny lifes experiences
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#11
The members/cabinet, set the policy/policies; the officers carry them out.
If that's not the case, there's no point in changing administrations, might as well leave the Conservatives in power - permanently.
Roger
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#12
Roger, you have all but driven the nail home. In fairness you might have allowed the permo-incumbent party to be of any hue.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#13
Of course there will be an element of Officer-led at every council !! Imagine what it would be like if committee had to decide every single decision, nothing would get done
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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#14
I cannot speak for DDC, but at DTC once a committee has agreed on a course of action (and a cost) it is often left to the officers with any final decisions to be made between them and the committee chair. It will only then go back to the committee if significant changes are needed. Committee members can, of course, keep track of progress simply by asking the officers involved.
I have never heard of DTC members being asked not to post (or if I did I quickly forgot it).
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#15
# 10...........ditto......
# 11......in complete denial......or suspect naivety.......the last sentence, it really does not matter at District Council
level ....they have past their sell by date long ago..........
# 14......agree Town and Parish Councils only have one Officer....they are out numbered by volunteers who deal with
smaller agenda and know what they are doing....unlike DDC where officers out number committee members and they
have years of experience of getting what they want to happen........
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#16
Another view of this is it is part of an officer's job to know the law relating to their area, and this sometimes means telling a councillor that they might want to do that but they can't.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#17
PETER;
You can see from rogers reply that the problem exists and why
never mind
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#18
Keith, are you developing a cyber-stutter?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#19
peter
it says not gone through
then 4 come out
lol
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