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    Now that its got brighter you can see the pictures on Andy's link there(post 5) ever more clearer...have also seen it on Sky News and its unbelievable to see such a huge and magnificent ship completely capsized over. Its early moments as of yet and we dont know the death toll for sure, but it apears to be relatively quite low as we speak...which is to be thankful for. Could have been a much larger toll when you look at the situation of the ship as she stands.

    Very shocking...when you see these beautiful giants leaving Dover on summer evenings you never think of such a possibility.

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