howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
the tide is turning will our government stand up and be counted?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9844738Brian Dixon
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#2
seeing that the uk hasnt signed up on that agreement so that makes the uk a non team player.untill the uk and the other country/s sign up to it,this makes it a non starter for 10.
well thats how i see it anyway.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#3
According to the article, crime and illegal immigration are disturbing the 25 countries signed up to the Schengen agreement.
As I see it, all these countries should enforce tight border security, and Britain should do the same.
The price to be paid for not stopping crime and illegal immigration is very high, so border security must have a high priority.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
fully agree alex, at present any criminal on the run from his/hers police can change country without even presenting a passport.
the schengen treaty is a villains dream.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#5
are there are other views (alternative) to those expressed already
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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#6
The opposite view is that it allows law abiding citizens to freely go about their business without being stopped by border agents etc.
Frankly the claim regarding "crime" is a spurious and deceitful way of saying "we dont want you non EU types here"
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#7
I am not sure what the figures are today but when I was a serving officer (1970's -90's) 99.7% of all passengers posed no problem whatsoever and were allowed to proceed without let or hinderance.
I regret immigration bashing is blamed for all our ills from crime to unemployment from housing to health. A great whipping post for most badly informed right wingers.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#8
i totaly agree with ross on this one.
the only border crontrolls we need is where the illeages come from,ie.along the medeteraian coast,and the turkish border.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#9
MAREK/ROSS
That is the problem by the looks of this thread.
although border controls appeared to work in the UK when they were in place, the thread indicates all our woes are because of the immigration issue, but lets not hide from the issue we have here of our lawless society, and society in general
that needs a good shake uo
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#10
kieth,its called scare mongering,you know how it works,if enough people say the same thing repeatedly it starts to be belived.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#11
yep the tories used it to great effect at the last general electuon, knowing they were going to do nowt differently in fact its got worse
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#12
the evidence is pretty clear that lack of border controls assists movement of criminals, we read of cases every day where people with previous convictions in their own countries face our courts.
many of our own move to france, belgium and holland when they know that their collar is about to be felt.
police forces share information but many have enough to do dealing with their own.
#13
Get Out of The EU
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#14
alan,that wouldnt work,it will still happen what ever this so called country says or dose.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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#15
At the bottom of this is the economic situation that so many EU nations are facing. The governments need to get a grip and take a broader, and longer term, view rather than posturing and trying to demonstrate how 'potent' each is. Isolationism doesn't work as attractive as it might seem and, as far as the EU is concerned, we really are 'all in this together'. Fragmentation will have severe adverse effects for us all.