howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#1
rather a lot of egg on the cobbled together faces over this one, will be interesting to watch them talk their way out of it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/employers-reject-jobs-scheme-thats-all-work-and-no-pay-7079777.htmlGuest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
#2
Yet another ill-conceived policy...starts as a headline then turns into a `U`turn...or kick into long grass.
Track record looking pretty embarrassing.......................
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#3
looks like a non starter.........another u-turn pending.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#4
When I worked for the Channel Chamber of Commerce at the LSBC finding work-placements for young people, they were coming from the Job-Centre and having their JSA bumped up to £150 per week; they were all being educated up to O levels in Maths and English, receiving training and learning skillls and I was finding them useful work-placements in/with local companies.
It stopped because the funding ran out, but every young person I took to a job interview was so appreciative on teh way back, knowing that they were being given a chance to prove themselves. Didn't work for all of them, but it did for the vast majority of them.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#5
rather different to the government scheme roger where people were working for over 30 hours a week for 60 odd quid.
i would boycott any shop that took part in this scheme.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
Yes I know it is/was a different scheme Howard, I was just pointing out that the previous scheme had value for the young people and the respect of the businesses.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
#7
I'm all in favour of the work placement scheme bringing in an extra £90 a week on top of JSA and housing benefit.
It should also be extended to factories and farms, in particular those salad factories where English is unknown.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
- Posts: 7,819
#8
This is not a good idea...heard further chatter on R4 this morning about it all. Tesco also having talks with the government now too as they have concerns also.
The concerns are that the unemployed are just being grossly exploited.. full stop...they work for a few months for nothing at all with no prospect of a job at the end of it. Giant wealthy retailers get the free labour and the unemployed are released at the end of it all having achieved nothing, no pay no apprenticeship nothing, there is something unsavoury about this one and I cant for the life of me wonder who would dream up such a scheme and think it a goer.
Even if we did get these unemployed into the large retailers under this scheme, arent we just stopping this work becoming a real job for someone to really do .. and really get paid for it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#9
If JSA at £67 a week plus housing benefit plus £90 a week came to £900 a month for 30 hours a week for a few months, it would be acceptable, providing that the employer than took on the person at standard wage after the trial period.
However, if it is a minimum wage job at 40 hours a week, the standard contract would work out less per hour than during the trial period.
In London, housing benefit is much higher than in Dover, and the signing-on mentality in areas where rent is 2-5 times higher is simply too much for the State to afford.
So the work-placement scheme should provide for: JSA, housing benefit and £90 a week for 30 hours a week work, for a trial period, after which standard contract if the employer is satisfied with the person.
So we need to ask the Government to add the £90 a week in the work placement scheme.
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#10
From what I hear all these workers are offered a the end of their 'employment' is a guaranteed interview, sounds like slave labour to me
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#11
a lot of our retail giants thought they were on a winner with this forced labour until the great british public made their voice heard.
thought they would follow in the footsteps of the german industrial company krupp.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#12
Oh dear - well maybe these 4 can give Cameron & Grayling first hand advice on what its like
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#13
This is another government plan unravelling at breakneck speed. Tesco were the latest one last night to put a nail in its coffin. Minister Grayling was gearcrunching last night on TV as he tried to find reverse for a swift backward exit. Tesco along with other huge retailers will now not touch this after initially looking to do it. Forcing people into employment for no pay is unbelievably bad PR and High St UK dont want to touch it with yon bargepole. I think the problem Cameron has is that the Ministers surrounding him are not very good. They cant sell an idea for love nor money.
Hugely respected organisation Oxfam were also on TV saying they would have no truck with an idea that could make the poor even poorer. All this is appalling in PR terms. Tesco will now offer a scheme that pays, with an interview at the end of the scheme and if you meet the criteria the chances are you will/may get a job.
Once again we see a half thought out plan hitting the headlines with Ministers backpeddaling. Grayling, looking harassed on TV, was trying to put a brave face on it...and spinning.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#14
rather surprizing how grayling seem's to get so much wrong, is he the next minister to go???
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#15
Yes he does seem to put his size tens in it. Remember an item at the party Conference when he rubbished a quote from Mr Cameron, not realising it was from Mr Cameron...oh dear! that went down well in No 10. But as ever he successfully backtracked. He seems a nice guy, puts forward a pleasant face of Conservatism while on television but is a tad gaff prone.
This latest situation with this jobs fiasco is not going to do his career any good either. forced labour for free was never going to be a good move...as i said in the post above (no 13), big business is running for the exit on this one.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 2,262
#16
Pleased to see this one falling flat on its face. It's an utter disgrace to expect people to work entirely for free for any business no matter how big or small.
The fashion industry are big on this, they call it interns, working very long days for an entire year whilst paying your own expenses with the promise of maybe one job at the end of said year being given to one intern only.
In these austere times all jobs should carry a salary for goodness sake.
#17
I can only agree Colette.
