howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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howard,its what i've been saying for ages now.immergration is a two way street.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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yes brian we lose talent and skills to poland and for the most part we get the uskilled in return.
i must admit that after reading the report poland holds a lot of appeal.
Yes Brian it is a two way street but will they give us what we give them when they come here I don't think so most likely be told to go back home.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard,the poles along with the philapenos do the jobs that us brits dont to do,ie fruit picking and care jobs.its all so nice to see shops opened by the poles gives a choise which we never would have.
alan,instead of going to cornwall next year why try a weeks camping in polland.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think you are missing the point brian, our top skilled people are leaving in some cases investing in their new country.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard,so are the poles who are opening grocery shops,cafes etc.there are some top skilled poles coming here in return,ie docters,nurses and reshearch sciantists.
Brian the only reason they do fruit picking and care work is because if you or i was to apply they would have to pay a decent wage these people would work for peanuts and if they did not come here there would be jobs that we would do.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alan,they are either on peace work or minimum wage,thats the same as you or me would get offerd.
definition of pease work,a standerd price say £1.50p a kilo [thats 2.2 pounds to you] the more you pick the bigger your pay packet.
So what you are saying Brian is us English are a lazy lot of sods who wont work if there are all these jobs in the two mentioned then why are the job centers not telling the people about them surly they would take whats offered to earn a wage.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I don't think the English are lazy but employers are taking advantage of our benefits system by offering derisory pay therefore encouraging migrants to take up the positions to those who don't qualify for JSA etc.
I am a second generation Pole married to a degree holding Filipina so have no axe to grind .Brits overseas are revered as hardworking well qualified individuals who are respected but in their own country are treated like *hite.
The problem is with the employers not the employees.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Personally I do not think that British people are going to Poland to do what over there are minimum wage jobs, as they would be getting about 1.5 euros an hour. They would have less than JSA here in Britain, considering that JSA also entitles one to housing benefit and council tax benefit.
It's more likey they are doing work such as painting and decorating, or are experienced in the building industry.
Brian, forget not that in Poland they have the Zloty, not the euro, so that might also - hopefully - alter your attitude on Britain adopting the euro.
The Zloty might explain why Poland is doing eceonomically better than most, if not all, euro-zone countries.
On the whole, Poles, when they become unemployed in Britain, return to Poland, rather than signing on here, as they prefer to work, and if they had to sign on, they'd do so in Poland. Poles do have dignity, and are renowned for this.
I agree with Alan that many unemployed British people would work, if they got vacant jobs with a decent wage, and were even taken into consideration by the factory employers (which usualy they are not).
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,if your right about the zloty,then why isnt sterling doing the same.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, Britain hasn't asked for bailouts, many eurozone countries have, directly or indirectly.
For example, Italy and Spain are having SOME of their sovereign debits bought up by the European Central Bank, meaning a financial burden for the ECB, and have to introduce severe austerity measures.
This is simialr to a bailout, and doesn't solve the actual debt problem, but only prolongs the agony.
Greece, Portugal and Ireland have been bailed out directly.
Britain hasn't been bailed out, so the factor of independent currencies not being bailed out, such as quid sterling and zloty, proves the point.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,britain is heading for a bailout as i type this post,it will be bigger than greese,portugal,italys and irelands put together.
and guess what the eu will tell us to get on our bikes.
Brian, There you go again Moriarty With the negative Waves.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alan,just posative thought.
the only negative waves are comeing from euroscaptics who belt out bilge and lies.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, technically, Britain needs a financial bailout, but using funds from within, not with money from abroad.
There are only some countries that in theory have the financial capacity to lend massive sums of money, such as China, Saudi Arabia, but if these lent enormous amounts to the EU, they would want the money back with interest at some point, through continuous payments, as is the case with a loan when it is repaid.
Currently, the two great lenders of the eurozone, Germany and France, have almost no money to lend out, and have massive exposures to other bailed-out economies of the eurozone.
Personally I see for Britain only one way to pull out of the immediate financial crisis, just as a starter, and that is to impose a one-off super taxation on the very rich.
This probably goes beyond the thread's declared intentions, which are Brits seeking some form of employment in Poland, a country where the currency is not the euro.
No doubt a far cry from the number of Poles working in Britain, but a good indicator that in Poland all is not lost.
It might be that Poland recovers financially, and creates more employment for local people there, so that Poles find it easier to find work in their own cities and villages.
This would ease the pressure on the British employment market, freeing jobs for the British. But what if then millions of Bulgarians and Romanians come along and want jobs here?
We'd be back to base 1, there'd be no hope for us.
We already have large Latvian and Lithuanian communities working in England.
I don't know what work you do, Brian, but I am self-employed, and am not entitled to minimim wage, sickness pay, holiday money, redundancy.
I fight a hard day by day battle to get along financially, and for 40 hours a week work I get peanuts.
No cosy life for me, Brian!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,we all in it together.