howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Dover constituency gains Capel ward. Good for Charlie I would think.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ah..I was just wondering if it affected Dover at all. Couldnt see it immediately in the article above so thanks for that Peter. Yes that would be good news for Charlie as Capel would make a more affluent attachment..and affluence generally seems to favour Conservatism.
I heard a bit about this on R4 this morning and it seems that several Labour constituencies are badly hit right across the country. These boundary changes will lead to an increase in size, ie each new boundary taking in more of the population, leading to a reduction in the number of MPs. Concerned that Labour will now be even further up against it....as if things werent bad enough.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the country will lose 50 honourable members and kent will drop to 56 from 58.
Guest 659- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Capel was already Dover constituency
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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So where are the 8290 new voters (formerly part of Folkestone & Hythe) coming from if not Capel? Hawkinge?
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Guest 659- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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from Shepway wards of Hawkinge, Swingfield, Densole, Elham and Stelling Minnis which are proposed to change to the Dover constituency
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Even better for Charlie.
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Can't see him ever being shifted with this demographic!
Keith Sansum1
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peter;
realise what a fan you are of charlie
but not all those areas will favour charlie.
and of course he wont but charlie and his party should take no one for granted.
of course the boundary changes normallyt only help the conservative party
but well used to that
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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charlie will be m.p. for life keith, not a marginal anymore but a safe seat.
not a good thing for dover district.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i dont share that view howard
but thats down to others to get there ar** in gear
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Jan Higgins
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If the MP turns out to be a good MP for his constituents he could stay for life as far as I am concerned, and that would be regardless of his party.
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DT1- Location: Dover
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I think Mr Elphicke seems pretty committed to the area and for that I can only commend him. He also seems like a decent bloke. The only problem I have is that I'm not whether he is representing Dover District in the Conservative party or representing the Conservative party in Dover District. This can be said of most of our 'representatives' in both the major parties (we can now forget the other) It is this very notion that dilutes democracy and certainly makes a sham of the concept of devolution.
Ultimately a seat for life can often bring with it complacency and certainly denies any kind of dialectic, which is not good for the electorate. I hope this would not be the case for Mr Elphicke.
As for Capel voting Tory, I have lots of friends in the village and they are most certainly of the blue persuasion. This makes perfect sense, as with all that fog it is barely possible to see past the end of your nose.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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uually the ones in safe seats turn out to be useless over a period of time, just human nature.
those who have to fight for every vote tend to work much harder for their constituents.
DT1- Location: Dover
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Very true Howard.
If only we could set up a some kind of system of accountability, the Conservative mantra. A favorite idea is that of measuring things, ultimately with the notion of 'value for money'. What we could do is set a 'target' for increasing the average wage in the area and then if the MP does not meet this target, just give him/her the chop. It is not important who provides the service, Labour, Conservative, UKIP, bloke in the pub, but that we get best value for money and representation at the point of entry, that is 18. As long as the contract is sound we will all benefit. We should also aspire in this way to get the bottom 50% of earners above the national average wage, this is progress.
I really think I'm getting the hang of this 'blue' sky thinking.
Slightly more seriously, I think we should make political policies legally binding.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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so back to the thread,
jan i realy do agree on the best, with this goes the need to blot your copy book now and then and rebel,
the labour party locally/nationally needs to drop all forms of parachuting women into seats, and concentrate on what they would do better and not keep on about how nasty the tories are(we know that already lol)
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