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    Roger - you have to address the broader picture and what is best for the economy in the longer term.

    British Leyland (or its predecessors' companies) had the skills to build world class cars before they got on the subsidy route.
    Westland had the skills to build brilliant helicopters but that was still a disaster for our defence procurement.

    Keith - as I said before if Germany want to make the same mistakes that we made in the 70's then let them. They will suffer in the long term.

    No-one has challenged what I have pointed out about the problems of subsidy or answered the questions about how you get off that drug.

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