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    interesting and informative post andrew, just one issue i must take you to task on.

    the guest workers from turkey, yugoslavia etc were invited in mainly by car manufacturers to make up for the labour shortage, lived in poor conditions and were not a drain on scant resoures.

    all very different from many of the people the state was told to take.

    you are right that when push comes to shove the people will look to a leader that understands what people are thinking.

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