Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
11:3329242#1
This lady is the Attorney General, the Government's senior law officer.
She was responsible for pushing through a new law to fine employers who take on an employee who is an illegal immigrant. Her legislation means that an employer can suffer a £10,000 fine even if they did not know an employee was illegal.
This lady has now been found guilty of emplying an illegal herself and has had to pay a £5,000 fine. She broke the law she pushed through.
In any previous Government this would have resulted in the sacking or resignation of the Minister concerned. The Minister would have no credability left having been found guilty of an offense she was responsible for putting on the statute book.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Attorney-General-Baroness-Scotland-To-Be-Fined-5000-Over-Employment-Law-Breach/Article/200909415386057?lpos=Politics_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15386057_Attorney_General_Baroness_Scotland_To_Be_Fined_%3F5%2C000_Over_Employment_Law_Breach_
Her position is simply untenable but Brown says she can stay.... This Government has lost all sense of what is right or wrong.
A new development: The PH100 panel of political insiders says she should step down or be sacked by a large margin that crosses the political divide. By supporting her Brown is just demonstrating his usual poor judgement.
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/phi100_baroness_scotland_should_now_stand_down.htmlGuest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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22 September 2009
12:0329243#2
BarryW its not just the government who have lost sense of right and wrong its the whole of parliament. In the old days half a dozen tories would have resigned from parliament following the expenses scandal, and indeed a few labour ones too.
The old days when people resigned as a matter of honour are clearly gone. But according to reports Baroness Scotland did not know this woman employee was not entitled to work. All her paperwork was checked as I understand it and passed as okay, but it appears all the paperwork were forgeries. What is true or not in these cases though is hard to tell, but I cannot imagine Baroness Scotland, because of her position, would have knowingly employed an illegal. One would need to be pretty thick to do it...she doesnt appear to be too dense.
As for the sacking aspect...I dont think its harsh enough to warrant a sacking because of the circumstances which are extenuating. But once again even if it is worth a sacking, very few people seem to get sacked now as it results in media hoohaw, something the parties try to avoid. Look at Duncan, he was shoved sideways, after quite a time, but not sacked. He lingered too long like a carbuncle!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
14:3829246#3
PaulB
Look at the legislation that Baroness Scotland forced through the Lords.
It requires employers to check documents and keep copies - she did not do so
It says explicity that not knowing someone is an illegal is no defence, the fact that she did not know is irrelivant, she said so.
In the House she said that there are no excuses for employers, so she has no excuses.
She should resign, full stop - she has no credability as the senior legal officer of the Government.
As for the expense scandal, look at the facts PaulB, a lot more Labour MPs were guilty of serious abuses than Conservatives. Interesting that you phrased your comment the way you did.....
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
15:0129248#4
The fact is that the high level of excellent forged passports and ID cards together with Lunatic House mismanagement means that there are a plethora of forged and illegally obtained documents flooding the migrant market. That is why its very difficult for the lay person to recognise a forged document from a genuine one.The ID card would alleviate this kind of problem.
Surely rather than her resigning she should re-examine this piece of current legislation and maybe even scrap it!! and the Tories should back the introduction of ID cards..
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 September 2009
17:0229250#5
i understand that there is no question of a forgery being proffered to the baroness.
she claims not to have taken photcopies!!!!!!
all employers make this a number one priority,because of the penalties involved if they employ an illegal.
she should be sacked and prosecuted like anyone else.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
17:1229252#6
Marek - you are assuming that id cards will themselves not be faked and will offer greater security. Personally I doubt it very much and indeed they could increase risks of abuse. I remember when we were told that changing to credit card pin machines instead of signatures would prevent cc crime, how wrong they were!
The truth is the id cards are likely to be a hugely expensive mistake that the country cannot afford. that is why they must be scrapped.
Ross Miller
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23 September 2009
23:3229309#7
She should resign, after all she introduced the piece of legislation she fell foul of in the Lords. Further as a lawyer she would no doubt be the first to advise you that ignorance of the law is no defence.
ID cards are a waste of money and will do little or nothing to reduce the problems they are meant to address
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 September 2009
07:5129313#8
She made that very statement to the House of Lords, Ross when pushing the legislation through.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 September 2009
09:0929319#9
Forging documents is big business and frighteningly commonplace. An unscrupulous person with access to the right equipment and technical skill could potentially make a mint (pardon the pun) on the black market. You must have encountered a few in your time as an Immigration Officer, Marek?
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 September 2009
10:2429324#10
Phil
Correct. Thats why I'm living over here...lol
But on a serious note one only has to read the Screws of the World to hear about some bent official taking a backhander in order to provide blank forms etc.
32000 blank genuine Italian id cards went missing together with the endorsement stamp. It wasn't long before the Armenians and North Africans were chancing their luck with them to gain entry to the UK. Brazilians buying forged Spanish and Portuguese passports.Russians obtaining Polish passports the list is endless.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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24 September 2009
12:1729330#11
Barryw
if i felt you were to take the view with all these others scandals i might even support you.
With regard to the house of commons whole lot of scandal where all 3 main parties involved needs sorting