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  Of course you are right Ross; it seemed to me that Howard was pointing out the cost of immigration and because it costs so much, other things have to be cut - like winter fuel allowances.
  
  If these people didn't get here in the first place, I'm sure the costs would be much less than it is and wouldn't even involve some of those bodies.
  
  We need a much more secure border control and more officers to ensure the illgeal immigrants don't get here in the first place.
  
  If we can't stop any from the EU, we must be more capable of stopping those from outside the EU - currently, it seems, from North Africa.
  
  But, another argument could be: why are we such a draw for all these mis-placed and persecuted people ?
  I think we all know the answer to that.
  
  Wringing hands and saying "Oh Dear" will get us no where.
  
  
  
  Roger

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