Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 February 2011
07:0094399#1
Almost two-thirds of white Britons think immigration has been bad for the UK, according to a survey which anti-racism campaigners called a "disturbing picture" of society's attitudes.
Research commissioned by the Searchlight Educational Trust also found that Asians were most likely to back a halt to all immigration, at least until the economy had recovered.
Labour MP Jon Cruddas said the findings showed the potential for the rise of the far-right unless mainstream parties acted soon.
Immigration was held to have been on the whole a bad thing for Britain by 63% of whites, 43% of Asians and 17% of black Britons. It found that 39% of Asians, 34% of whites and 21% of blacks believed immigration should be halted either permanently or at least until the UK's economy was back on track.
Another report in the Mail claimed that more Brits would vote for the Far-right policies of anti islamic extremism and tighter immigration if they dropped their aggressive and violent nature.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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27 February 2011
07:3794400#2
Thanks Marek.
I've always said that the electorate will start to vote for the fringe parties if the main-stream don't listen to them.
I am certainly not for far-right racist parties but we do need stronger border-control and a cap on any sort of immigration.
Overseas people for too long have seen Britain as an easy touch and do their utmost to get here, many aided by organised gangs of people smugglers.
No matter what the Government say (either blue or red) about how great these people who come here are, we must limit it to qualified people who can speak English and who have a job to go to.
Being in the EU, means we cannot limit these (EU) people and there is only a small percentage from outside the EU that come here and we are attempting to limit those, but most of them (from outside the EU) are qualified and do speak English.
Roger
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 February 2011
08:5094403#3
Roger
Good points you raised. We do have excellent border control both at home and overseas .What we really need is a change in the law that gives I.O's more powers of removal. The service detects tracks arrests then detains illegals only for them to be granted 'tenporary admission' whereupon they immediately disappear into the system again.
The rest of the EU must also start to pull their weight instead of allowing illegals in knowing full well that they will leave that country and head for the 'soft touch' UK.
Also the newly allowed Eastern European countries needed to tighten their identity and docment procedures as its been proved that thousands of Russians are obtaining Polish,Czech etc Identity cards and entering this country illegally. Similar Brazilians entering the UK on Portuguese i/d papers.Its going to take joint cohesive European action to get to grips with the problem.
Now prepare for an Arab invasion as Islamic extremists take power throughout the Middle East and North Africa as they rapidily become more unstable.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Jan Higgins
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27 February 2011
10:0894407#4
The most significant part of the survey for me was that 25% of immigrants want no more immigration, so they must also believe we are at saturation point.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 February 2011
10:1394410#5
the problem is that anyone that is concerned about levels of immigration is labelled as racist.
the fact is the country is over populated, the health service, schools and the rest of public services are overstretched, the reds found out to their cost at the last election that they had not listened to their core support on this issue.
Brian Dixon
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27 February 2011
10:5894417#6
immigration is a love/hate thing.
if as howard says this country is over crowded,then its time to start deporting undesirables to country of origin,with a stance to other eu countrys that if any illeagls reach uk shores they will be imedatly dumped on there doorstep with a 10,000 euro fine atached to each one.
there again i might be classed rasist for saying so,in which im not.
27 February 2011
13:5394428#7
Any poll is only as representative as the questions it asks, and indeed those it leaves out. If this thread is about the poll rather than immigration, I would ask what slant the questions took.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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27 February 2011
14:0194434#8
I researched the topic on immigration to Britain, and here is an extract from the online article: Finding Jobs in the United Kingdom:
"According to the British Government's official statistics, published quarterly by the Office for National Statistics, between the beginning of 2004 and the end of 2009, well over 500,000 people migrated to Britain each year. The figures are based mainly on data received from International Passenger Survey (IPS). IPS receives its data on migration to the United Kingdom by counting the number of passengers arriving at UK seaports and airports and surveying passengers about their reasons for entering the UK. It measures only the passengers coming to Britain for at least 12 months." (author D. Alexander)
So this means that the number of people who declare that they are staying for less than 12 months is not included in the statistics on immigration, and secondly there is no statistical survey on the people who leave Britain, so all figures on migration to Britain are vague.
My research led me to believe that the estimated number of migrants leaving Britain is about half the number arriving, and even Migration Watch has no sure idea on this. But every year, Britain's population increases by hundreds of thousands.
This and another online article: Unemployment in Briitain, both have links to official statistics offices on work and immigration, and quote sources.
27 February 2011
14:0694441#9
It is so easy for illegal immigrants to disappear into the system. I employed a young lady from Zimbabwe. She had all the right documents, NI number etc, but suddenly disappeared after two years (!) and I found out she was an illegal immigrant. However, we are not only saturated with illegal immigrants, but also legal immigrants. How many more can this country support? Or can we hope that the disaffected youth of this country with no work ethic will suddenly find there is another country they could emmigrate to, and leave us with people who are ready, willing and eager to work, as many immigrants are.
Keith Sansum1
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27 February 2011
15:1894451#10
It is that dilema, we should be able to help those in danger for there lives and have those with skills to come into the country also.
Many governments have got this issue wrong, and some tried to play party politics with the issue which is the worst thing to do if you truely want to try to resolve these issues.
On issues such as Brian raises, he has a right to raise them, but then there is the point of just saying send them home is hardly the Answer, because where does that stop?
Does that mean we ship paulb back to ireland?
We should be able to have a resoned debate about how to resolve issues on this subject in my opinion, but it has to be a reasonable debate, not just send them all home, that doesn't solve the problem nor problems for the future.
This issue wont go away, and it needs reasionable open debate
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 February 2011
16:0594458#11
keith
you have not understood what brian said, he referred to undesirables not the law abiding.
yes the issue should be debated, the reds refused to do so that is why they lost so many safe seats at the last election.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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27 February 2011
16:0994460#12
more locally howard the issue was debated including a public meeting, and a visit from the then home secretary.
yep all governmets have got it wrong and continue to do so
it's a debate that won't go away, but im not in the camp of SEND THEM ALL HOME as in reality it wouldn't happen,, and a betterf system is required
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 February 2011
17:0894471#13
the issue is not about sending anyone home keith, much more about letting more in, our infrastructure is strugglng to cope as it is.
the issue of overseas criminals is different, for example roger says send them home to serve their sentence, i say send them home after they have finished their sentence.
mind you that depends on us knowing where home is.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 February 2011
19:5094499#14
the poll was carried out by populus on behalf of searchlight an "anti facist" group.
interestingly they say that there is a rise in people describing themselves as english rather than british which to them suggests more serious problems to come.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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27 February 2011
19:5494501#15
howard,i tend to call my self english,much prefer that that to british which gives to rise to jack of all trades dosent it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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27 February 2011
20:4094514#16
i always was british brian until the other countries in the union got their own assemblies and could still lord it over us in the commons.
definitely put myself down as english on forms when there is a space for it.
i never tick "white english" my colour is irrelevant.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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28 February 2011
09:2094550#17
I do exactly the same Howard and for the same reason, I am English and then I am British.
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