Keith Sansum1
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24 October 2010
22:1676495Tonght Dep Leader of Lib Dems has warned the cobbled together govt it won't get its reforms on housing benefit through the commons.
Smon Hughes has not for the first time spoken out against the cobbled together govt
my prediction of 15 months till it falls apart coming true
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 October 2010
22:3476498think the plans will go through keith.
too many yellows cannot afford another election.
they will be outed and the cars and the perks will be no more.
simon hughes knows exactly what he is doing, he is the peoples lib dem, when the dust clears he will be the leader of a protest movement.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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24 October 2010
23:3876500That's an interesting point, Howard. I was wondering who the 500.000 public sector employees who are going to be laid off would normally have voted for. Assuming they won't vote for the Tories and LibDems now, and that Labour, now redefining its policies, would not propose re-employing 500.000 civil servants, they, and many others afected by the spending cuts, could turn to other parties.
Somehow the Libdem didn't manage to cash in on following up employment opportunities in France and Spain (or Holand and Germany, if you like) for the populace, and this just about takes all their steam out of them! At the end of the day, everything revolved around the sole British employment market, which would be a shame if one had believed in yellow policies, which were somewhat identicle to Labour's.
But I had thought that Mr. Cable's recent haranguing of the bank directors over their non-lending scheme was a last attempt to attract public support.
Ross Miller
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25 October 2010
00:3776501I think the Con-Dems will struggle on with increasing friction and fall out between them until the next election - i.e. 4.5 years from now at which time it is likely the Lid Dems will be given a truly sound kicking by the electorate for selling out their principles.
The Tories will then squeek home with a narrow majority over Labour though they will struggle through a second term due to this and most likely lose the following election. Even if they manage to turn round the fiscal situation too many people will not forget or forgive the harshness of the austerity measures and the drastic impact they will have had on the vast majority of working and middle class people.
Alexander, given the overall paucity of language skills amongst British workers we were never going to see a significant flow of British workers to the continent outside of the Finance Sector which at the higher levels and more international parts uses English as its day to day business language.
Sadly the last Labour administration screwed up and significantly increased public sector jobs during its tenure, despite the clear signs that these jobs were unsupportable and unjustifiable in the longer term, particularly once the fiscal crisis started to unfold. The current administration is just attempting to correct that (and many other) error. I struggle to see how we get out from under the debt mountain the country has without some seriously radical measures, of course some of those jobs could be saved if the unions and employers are prepared to talk about things like job sharing, reduced hours, pay freezes etc.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 October 2010
08:1276509Ross;
I don't fully share your view, and stick my view that i 15 months it wll all fall apart.
Simon Hughes is no fool and I thnk he had ambitions to be the leader of the Lib Dems.
I'm not so sure that these things will go through that easily, people will be watchng very closely.
Lib Dem supporters all over the country feel there leadership has sold out
As to any new general election, because the electorate don't have to much faith in any of the three parties I think if i'm honest it will remain as no party having the majority.
I think the lib dems dems vote wll reduce a lot and Lib dems seats wll be lost.
Tories will lose a few.
Labour will gain from this but not enough for any party to have outright majority
You heard it here first lol
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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25 October 2010
08:1976510In an interesting move Douglas Alexander the high flying fresh faced Labour shadow minister has offered to work together with Simon Hughes on this. Its an odd move but a move that could be effective. If Hughes was to work with Alexander then indeed we would be seeing a real split as a two tiered Libdem Party would emerge.
However as the polls show the Libdems at their lowest approval level for more than 20 years, they are as Howard suggests above, very likely to hold on for dear life to any tenure in power...as its bound to be short lived.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 October 2010
08:3076511But i think people pressure, and the threat of losing seats will over ride all that
and S Hughes will see that as will many lib dems holdng marginal seats and its gong to get very interesting.
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Jan Higgins
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25 October 2010
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 October 2010
08:5276516Jan
welcome to the political debate, and well done!!!!!!
don't share your view, I think the electorate once the cuts start to bite will be reminding there Lib Dems MP's why they voted for them.
Also a lot of Lib Dems in margnal seats will be looking over there shoulders and thinking about how do i hang on to my seat.
Interesting times ahead.
JAN;
It is good you have posted on a political thread well done, when i was on the county and District councils i visited all the local schools on a regular monthly basis and it's surprizing how politics affects your every day life.
When I started speaking I said to the class/school who likes politics(to get a re action)1 or maybe 2 said yes the rest said no.
Until that is explained how it effects there every day life
And then they realised how much they can be(and many are)already involved.
Lots also of ideas from them to, and realisation of the difficulties.
anyway jan welcome
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 October 2010
09:4176522strange one about danny alexander, he was a stooge for the blues until recently, now switchinh his loyalty.
sounds like he is distancing himself from the spending review and ingratiating himself with the grass roots of his party.
very important as they elect the leader.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 October 2010
09:5976524Howard
Your last line, elect the leader? what's that about?
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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25 October 2010
09:5976525Ah...Howard I think you may be mixing up your Alexanders there, and who would blame you...neither being terribly hi-profile. Douglas Alexander is Labour Shadow Minister for International Development, and is often their election stratagist..although the two elections he stratagised over recently were Labours last debacle and David Milibands leadership attempt....so he might be on a losing streak there !!
he is a short and dark Scottish fella.
Danny Alexander on the other hand is now part of the Coalition's economics team having secured the role following the demise of Laws. Laws was caught out in a secret gay trist and had to resign due to his expense claims which denied his relationship. So there we are...up popped Danny Alexander.
he is a tall and redheaded Scottish fella.
...dem Scots are everywhere, punching above their weight as they are a nation of a mere 5 million.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 October 2010
10:0476526that will teach me to read too fast paul.
must admit i cannot remember douglas alexander being involved in anything.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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25 October 2010
10:0476527Keith, I often think of comments but seldom bother to to post them, you political boys
go on to much.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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25 October 2010
11:3976542Paulb
i welcome this new initiative from the labour guy, he has been around some time and often on tv interviews.
Jan;
I welcome your imput, may not agree but nice to hear anyway
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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25 October 2010
16:1076570Jan, politics actually is a term that includes also economy, and economy really is a subject that affects everyday reality. My view is that it is a related topic to politics, and the two are inevitably interlaced.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 October 2010
17:1376588it does pervade all aspects of our lives whether we like it or not.
