howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 February 2011
16:0392513#1
it seems that demonstrators in algiers and other cities got a bashing fom the local constabulary when they tried to celebrate events in egypt.
facebook has been closed, now the internet is down.
anyone else getting a sense of deja vu?
13 February 2011
18:4592523#2
Interesting times, Howard.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 February 2011
19:1492524#3
who will be next though?
algeria looks the favourite at this time.
further to the east yemen is subject to protests, and the extreme poverty of the people there might just drive things over the edge.
Brian Dixon
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13 February 2011
19:1692525#4
i reckon most of the middle eastern countrys will rise up and claim democrecy eventuly.
13 February 2011
21:3892537#5
But the elephant in the room is Gaza. Interesting times but scary times too.
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14 February 2011
07:5992545#6
I agree, but it's odd Bern, because Gaza is also the minnow in the lake as it's the smallest of the Arab countries - if it is called a country, but potentially could cause more trouble.
Roger
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14 February 2011
08:0292547#7
roger,its part of a bigger picture,palistine divided by israel.
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14 February 2011
08:1492552#8
I know where it is Brian.
Palestine wasn't divided by Israel, it was divided by the United Nations I believe and the State of Israel was created by them in 1948.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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14 February 2011
08:2192553#9
roger,lets not split hairs over this,if israel wasnt created by the un palistine would be a whole country.by creating israel a perfectly stable country has divided.and you wonder why there is terrarist activaty there,wouldnt you be peed of about it.
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14 February 2011
08:3892556#10
No Brian I wouldn't; peoples of all Nations should be able to live in peace and harmony - that must be the goal of every Country.
I have done a lot of investigating on Palestine and the creation of the State of Israel Brian, all facts not conjecture and I could put it on here, but I'm sure it would bore the pants of most people.
If you'd like me to send it to you as a pdf file attached to an email, let me know.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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14 February 2011
17:5892602#11
roger,thanks for the offer but no thanks.my history remit dosent cover that/those kind of episodes.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 February 2011
18:2092604#12
i see that protestors in iran of all places have been out in force, taking heart from the successs of the tunisians and egyptians.
very very brave people.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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14 February 2011
20:1692619#13
and very worrying for those who get scared easaly.
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14 February 2011
22:1992642#14
Reading the posts about Palestine, it would be worthwhile noting that Palestine has never existed as a state. Until 1917, the area was part of the Otoman empire, for hundreds of years.
It was a largely uninhabited area, not particularly prosperous. There were prtobably as many Beduins and Christians inhabiting the area as Arabs, and also some Jewish communities.
Going back in history, until the times of the Bizantine Empire, one would find that there were also numerous Samaritan communities living there. A large number of Egyptians moved to Palestine in the mid 1800s and settled there, and Jews started moving there in the latter half of the 1800s in small numbers.
In 1917, the British Government decided to institute an area called Palestine for the Jews to move to and make into their own homeland, and which had nothing to do with taking away the rights of the people already living there.
This area called Palestine included present day Jordan. But a lot less Jews moved to Palestine than Westminster had reckoned, only thousands a year or little more. At some point in the 1920s or 30s, London separated a part of Jordan or Trans Jordan, from Palestine, but still leaving a sizable part of the eastern areas of the Jordan for Jewish settlement, as well as all of what now is the State of Israel and the West Bank and Gaza.
But there was such little interest on the part of the vast majority of Jews in the world in a Jewish homeland, that in 1938, because of the looming troubles that would lead to the Second World War, London imposed a limited number on Jews who could move to Palestine, which in the meantime only went as far as the river Jordan and no further. This was so as not to be unpopular with the Arabs in the event of a war (which soon later came about, namely WW2).
When the war broke out in Europe in 1939, the Jews were particularly stricken. But Britain had offered a homland on a golden plate to the Jews in 1917, and held the gates open for Jews to settle there until just before WW2, and this should never be forgotten, namely that no country tried to do so much for the Jewish people as Britain did!
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14 February 2011
22:4792648#15
If you go back much further in time, Palestine was a thriving coastal community stretching from Gaza to Acre. Goliath was a Philistine (Palestinian) from Gath (Gaza). No, it was never a state. In 100BC the only organised states were Rome, Athens, Persia and Egypt. In those days even Asia Minor was a disorganised area ruled by warlords.
But the Palestinian national and cultural identity lives on in its people on the ground and in its diaspora. They are rightly aggrieved by their wholesale displacement by Jews who felt empowered by Balfour.
I doubt that there were many Samaritan communities in Palestinian areas. Samaria was by 250BC an aspiring nation-state roughly corresponding to present day northern Israel. Palestinian areas were generally further south and west.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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14 February 2011
23:0692655#16
Germany was not a state until 1871.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 February 2011
23:3292667#17
they caught up well in 1914 and 1939, hats off to them.
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14 February 2011
23:3392668#18
The Samaritans were very numerous in the days when Jesus preached the Gospel, as he passed through Samaria from Galilee to Judea, as did all Galileans when travelling to Jerusalem.
In the days of the Byzantine empire, there were three great Samaritan uprisings for independence, but the Byzantine army put these revolts down with massive display of arms, similar to when the Romans put down the Jewish revolts of 66-70 AD and 135 AD.
Later, the Samaritans suffered severely under the rule of various Muslim leaders.
The Palestinians do not descend from the Philistines, but mainly from Egyptians - and also from people from other neighbouring areas - who settled in Palestine from the 1800's onwards.
The Jews did not go to Israel in order to displace anyone, but to settle there on non-private land. You may find that a war in 1948 caused many Palestinians to be displaced, because the governments of neighbouring Arab countries who invaded Israel informed the Palestinians to leave their homes, with the intention of them returning once Israel had been connquered, which never came about.
The Palestinians who did not follow this advice and remained, were never displaced by the Jews, as you may find out if you read a few history books. Presently there are over a million Palestinians living in the state of Israel, as Israeli citizens, and about 2 million living in the West Bank, plus those in Gaza.
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15 February 2011
00:2292681#19
Palestine/Philistine, its almost the same word in modern-day English and has been the same word in Arabic for 2000 years.
The Arabic language has no letter P. F or ph is the usual substitute in English transliteration.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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15 February 2011
08:5192689#20
alex,israel didnt became a state untill 1947,after much huffing and puffing and a small uprising by the jewish settlers.