howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 November 2010
21:4778152#1
something for our members to chew over here, up until now the authorities have always been keen on babies and young children going into the homes run by the same colour scheme, i have no idea why.
this has resulted in babies from the ethnic minorities being left in limbo.
today the new childrens minister is overturning all the prejudice and making colour and ethnicity redundant.
i would ask the question "how does a baby have its own culture"?
i have two examples in action that i personally know of, the first is of a jamaican couple that had two of their own and couldn't have anymore, they had a large house and wanted more children so they adopted two white babies.
all four children made their mark in life without any racial hang ups and two of them married outside of their colour.
the second case i did not know about until the foster mum died, my lady friend at the time knew her and i went along to the church service. the deceased could not have children herself and fostered babies that had been rejected by the natural parents.
the majority were either disabled or black/brown.
upon arrival at the church i saw a gigantic black bloke wearing a dark suit, i commented that i had never seen a bouncer at a funeral before, i was then told that was one of the "babies".
he had stayed the course from a baby and lived always with his white mum, why does race pervade the liberal thinking when people get along without political intervention?
rant now over.
Jan Higgins
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2 November 2010
22:2078153#2
I have always been against the idea of white babies for white parents and black babies for black parents. A good parent is a good parent regardless of ethnic background.
Yes there might be a few problems as the child grows but in this day and age they should be sorted out with relative ease. All children are a small problem at some time and the adopted child is no different.
Maybe I come from a prejudiced angle as I was adopted as a baby when everything was kept quiet unlike today where the children are raised knowing they have been picked.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 November 2010
22:3278155#3
There has been a lot of pc interference in adoption that has been ill conceived. Glad to hear it has been overturned.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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2 November 2010
22:5978160#4
The reason for giving into adoption babies to a foster mother and foster father of the same ethinc group probably was because an adopted baby should receive the knowledge that it is being cared for by a mother and a father.
I was taught in Army school near Aldershot that a child who has been adopted as a baby should be told at the age of thirteen or fourteen by the parents that he or she has been adopted. The scope behind it all, I immagine, was not to create a sentiment of being different to the rest of the family, including any brothers or sisters (step brothers and sisters) while in the vulnerable age of childhood.
It seems a good idea to me, as the complexity and -yes - (sorry some folks) spirituality of a child is delicate, and a growing baby and child needs and likes to think that it - he - she - is part of the family without any difference.
Things that quango law-makewrs of today probably overlook. It's got NOUGHT to do with racism. I'm sorry for anyone who thinks it has! In fact, it this reasoning is valid, as I believe it is, then it aapplies equally -oh yes, equally - to ALL children, irrelevant of their skin colour and ethnicity.
However, people may have different views! But what I wrote has nothing to do with racist resentment, but with child psychology, that is really a topic unto itself!
3 November 2010
10:0778239#5
Im hoping to adopt in the future and i personally wouldnt care what colour their skin was .
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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3 November 2010
11:3778256#6
Mel we are talking about children's adoption,not HUSBAND'S
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 November 2010
12:3078264#7
best wishes with that Mel.
Keith Sansum1
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3 November 2010
16:3978306#8
This is indeed a big subject and as alexadrer says the reason for telling the child he's adopted is so he/she is clear and not like the old days of it all being hidden.
Then if that child wishes to trace there birth mother in the future they can do so
all open is a far better way.
of course with all of this is the move towards being biased AGAINST gay couples, many ministers already saying only a man/woman couple should be able to adapt.
This s totally wrong and im 100% aganst it
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4 November 2010
17:0478449#9
Mel, You might change your mind if the adopted child arrived wearing a burka, ever thought about that???
4 November 2010
17:2378451#10
All children need is people who actually care. Ideally their parents, at a push a parent, in extremis by adoption.
No race or sexual inclination has a monopoly on this.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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4 November 2010
17:5178457#11
Sorry, I'm on the wrong thread!
4 November 2010
19:2978486#12
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2010
20:0378495#13
mel
i think that jimmy is concerned that a muslim baby might come complete with a rucksack full of explosives for use at a later date.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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4 November 2010
20:0778498#14
Were you thinking aloud Alexander
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4 November 2010
22:3878530#15
Howard, You got it in one!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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4 November 2010
22:5178531#16
Well yeah, go on! I was thinking, actually, that I have read articles in various news-papers, that many women would like to have another child, or children, but cannot because of their economic situation. This might not be exactly in consonance with this thread, but I read this in two different languages, in two different countries, in Europe.
Likewise, there must be many a couple of man and wife who could not afford to adopt a child, if they can't afford to have their own children!
But it is a shame that Gov. has to go and make a racist problem out of adopting children! I would have hoped that by following the hitherto practise of respecting ethnic origin, they'd have avoided an adoptive child having problems in the future, as a child does ask itself many questions. Only, adults might tend to forget having been a child, and see things from an adult's perspective, and overlook a child's menatality. A crying shame! I think some adults just want to convince themselves of a point, and try it out on children. If God had left all people as one ethnic group in Noah's days, could we call Him a racist? As He caused different peoples to have different physical characteristics, He didn't do it for us to come along and forcefully make one people out of many peoples!
Something is wrong here, and someone is hell-bent on giving adoptive children a hellish hard time!
I would say: for childrens' sake, can't adults try not to make a point of convincing themselves of something by testing it out on some unfortunate child up for adoption???
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2010
23:0678532#17
interesting post from alex.
it is difficult for a black or disabled baby to be adopted, been the case for a long time.
i do not understand why prospective parents are so picky.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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5 November 2010
13:2978607#18
It takes a very, very special and wonderful person to pick a disabled child, human nature being what it is means the majority of parents want a 'perfect' child. Just think of all the potential hard work and problems that can be involved with looking after a child with special needs of one kind or another.
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5 November 2010
19:1578695#19
Howard the only thing babies come fully loaded with is their nappies
