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  To capitalise n Chris' post:
  
  
  "A fox caught by a pack is killed quickly and cleanly" Not usually. I used to hunt and I know.
  
  "Even the best marksmen will sometimes miss to wound a fox so it slinks away and dies a slow death". I didn't think you cared, and this is less likely than a rather unpleasant end between the teeth of several hounds scrapping over who gets to chew the still pulsing entrails.
  
  "Shooting will kill the fit and healthy fox indesciminately, hunting tend to cull the sick and lame" Skilled keepers know the difference
  
  "To claim torture is itself crass and stupid as is the claim that hunters are sadists". Of cvourse hunters are sadists - that is the point of hunting. Drag hunts are just as much fun if it is the spectacle and ride to hounds that you enjoy - as I did - but that does not satisfy the bloodlusters baying for the return of the hunt.
  
  "Guzz - I agree who are we to dictate how foxes (or hares /rabbits, whatever) are killed, my point exactly" We decide such things all the time by where we buy our food and what we eat. We are responsible.
  
  "I repeat - people are too soft and mollycoddled theses days and view nature and animals with far too much sentimentality. I am not in favour of cruelty to animals, hunting is not cruel per'se." I agree - as a veggie I have no problem with anyone choosing to eat meat, but feel strongly that we have become divorced fro the source of food, and that causes many problems. Ripping apart foxes after a long and (for them) tiring and cruel hunt will not addres this.

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