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    It was Geoffrey Howe's speech that did for her, not this, though the way a potentially good and fair reform of local government finance was implemented was totally screwed up by Nick Ridley and his officials did damage her.

    You are mixing a few things up there though Dave1. Might I remind you that the economic problems of 1990/1 were caused by our membership of the European Monetary Union (and the shadowing of the DMark that led to it). That membership was opposed by Mrs T and her adviser Alan Waters but she was up against Labour, Liberals, CBI, Trade Unions, most of the media and the old pro-EEC Tories. For a long time she and Sir Alan fought a lonely battle and gave way in the end to her Chancellor, John Major. The damage that membership did to the economy and the economic reputation of the Conservatives was considerable but was a valuable lesson on why we must never join the Euro.

    As for severe cuts, make no mistake there is absolutely no other way to deal with Brown's appalling economic legacy. The need for cuts is greater than any politician will fully admit to. They absolutely must happen and will.

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