Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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So why is this date so special? Well according to thousands of people this is when the earth will cease to exist. They point to the Mayan calendar as a date forseen for Armageddon. Scientists point to the fact of increased sunspots and a change in the earths climate.Hence the recent earthquakes , tsunamis,floods etc.
Some believers have gone so far as to pack in their jobs and start to prepare for the end by stocking up on survival gear.
It reminds me of the sketch from Beyond the Fringe. The doomsters all gather on the mountain proclaiming the end is nigh and when it fails to happen Peter Cook turns to his fellow believers and says..oh well same time, same place tomorrow then...
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 650- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
Bother! It means we'll miss Christmas.
Still, we'll just have time to dedicate the new plaque of names for the Town Memorial (subject to the acceptance of the Town Council, who own the Memorial). So that's okay.
Brian Dixon
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Guest 702- Registered: 9 Jul 2010
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If they really believe that the earth will cease to exist, what's the point in them stocking up with survival gear which they will never use !!!
Guest 657- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I've seen so much about this to the point where some people are genuinely scared.
It's NOT going to happen. The Mayan calendar has been proved wrong (that's the science part) and take it from me we'll still be here (that's the psychic part!)
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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While doomsayers all over world are looking at dire events on that date the many thousand surviving Mayan descendents are completely unconcerned. As far as their understanding goes the date just means a time of great change.
It's their calendar so I think I will go with their reading of it.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, the reference in the link to "failed prophecies of Jesus" can only be the result of reading the Gospel with closed eyes.
What Jesus prophesied (as mentioned in the link) came about, namely on the day of Pentecost (about 40 days after Jesus ascended to Heaven).
Many Jews had gathered in Jerusalem, following a law of Moses to gather every year on that date at tha Altar of God and present the prescribed offerings.
The Altar was in the Temple, and that was the place they were heading for, Jews from Jerusalem, Judea and Galilee and from all over the Diaspora (not all Jews, but those who could make it).
But on that day, the Spirit came to another house in Jerusalem, where the disciples and adherents of Jesus were gathered, and these spoke in many tongues to the people, and several thousand Jews converted on that day and in the following days and weeks.
The new Altar of God was with these disciples and adherents, who became Apostles, and the old altar in the Temple had no more spiritual value.
About forty years later, the Temple and old altar were destroyed utterly and completely, so that not 2 bricks remained one on the other.
Just as Jesus prophesied, and many who had lived in the days of Jesus, from that generation, witnessed this or heard of it after it happened.
The Apostles, however, who were not bound to the old altar, continued preaching the Gospel, and the Evangelists put the Gospel in writing.
The Word of Jesus is not a failed prophecy, and it is totally absurd for the authors of the link to suggest otherwise.
History books with well-documented accounts from Josephus (a Jew) who lived in the 66-70 AD Jewish revolt, inform us quite clearly that the old altar in Jerusalem passed away with the old temple, so the authors of the link may-be never attended a history lesson on the period they are writing about, hence their absurd assertions about "failed prophecies" of Jesus.
Jesus in fact was talking to a Jewish audience, and any Jew today can confirm that indeed the old temple and altar within it passed away within a generation (biblical generation = 40 years) of the year c.30 (when Jesus spoke the prophecy).
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Alexander, just two points. Josephus is known to have been heavily edited over the centuries, the references to Jesus popularly believed to have been added by Russian translators in the 19th century.
"Not 2 bricks remained one on the other"? Does this rule out the Wailing Wall, venerated by so very many of the Jewish faith?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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Chris, Russian translaters of the 19th century referring to Josephus have got nothing to do with what Jesus said in his spoken Gospel around the year 30!
That what Josephus wrote is not in referrence to Jesus but to the Jewish Revolt of the years 66-70 AD.
This revolt brought about the destruction of the old Temple and alter, which is what Jesus prophesied.
Prophecies to this event were also made by some Old Testament prophets, particularly Zecchariah.
As for the wailing wall, no, it is not a part of the old temple (the second temple) which was built around the year 520 BC after the return of a part of the Jews from Babylonian exile, but was a wall buillt by king Herod some time in the late 1st century BC, in his projects to embellish the Temple.
King Herod's project of adding new structures to the Temple actually was still going ahead long after his death and was completed only several years before the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
The Jews resident in Jerusalem, around the year 630 AD, reverted to the wailing wall as a place of wailing after an Arab sultan erected the mosche in the place where the Temple had once stood, as they did not like the idea of going to said mosque to wail and lament.
These Jews erroneously believed that the wailing wall was part of the original first Temple built by king Solomon.
So no, the "no two bricks will remain one on another", as spoken by Jesus, was totally and utterly fulfilled!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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So Alex after all that do YOU believe the world will end on 21/12/12?
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I do believe that some time soon the line of popes will come to an end!
The Scottish Church has a lot to do with this!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Still not answered my question.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I could give an answer, Marek.
To relieve some form their misery, alright, the world will not "end" as such.
Nor do I know any reference to a particular date.
Guest 657- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I'm in the process of producing my 2012 Angels calendar (yes I start this early) I've approved the layout and nothing blew up when we got past 21st December so I take that as a good sign!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#16
Go ahead, Jeane. Britannia Shall Prevail! It will be Prosperity, not Desolation!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Interesting what you say about the line of Popes, Alex. My brother-in-law's brother has written a book entitled 'Le Pape a perdu la Foi' (the Pope has lost his faith) which details what happens when the cardinals elect an American Pope who turns out to be a hedonistic atheist.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
