howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The stories coming out of there get more horrific by the day with claims and counter claims as to which side is committing the most atrocities.
Debates like this twitter one are hardly informative.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/piers-morgan-branded-zionist-scum-in-thorough-trolling-following-freepalestineandisrael-tweets-9609789.htmlBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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It's all the civilians - the children especially, who suffer - on both sides, but I guess those Palistinians in the Gaza strip probably suffer more than the civilians in Israel.
It is very much tit-for-tat, but Hamas started and keep sending rockets into Israel so they are bound to retaliate. Take Hamas out and no more bombs/rockets would go into Gaza. It is surprising that the people in Gaza are so supportive of Hamas.
I believe Hamas have said that they want to annihilate the state of Israel - that won't help at all.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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both sides have said that roger.more so Israel,they want all that land themsleves
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That is not the case Brian, I have never heard Israel say they want the Gaza Strip, they want to live in peace with their neighbours, who ever they are, but will not tolerate rockets, bombs etc. landing in their country - understandable really.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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roger,you don't seem to have a grip on the situation,israel have blockaded gaza for a number of years,nothing in nothing out.if you click on my #2 you will see whats going on.its unastadable why palastinians have the hump with Israel,and I don't blame them as neither country recognize each other.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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if you like propaganda then you would need to watch this.
warning it shows graffic images.
http://t.co/gM121WZ4G9Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Israel is an occupying force which controls hundreds of square miles of Arab lands by illegal military force in defiance of UN resolutions. It does not recognise the Geneva Convention and is one of the few modern governments which practises terrorism. These are facts.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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peter.
that's what I have been saying but single mided people disagreed.
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I disagree Peter. I know you have a sympathy for all things arab and I guess that's understandable living there for a number of years, but the State of Israel does not practice terrorism. I would have said that is more attributable to Hamas - not the ordinary Palistinians.
It is a very complex and long history of the area - as we all know.
Roger
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I disagree Peter. I know you have a sympathy for all things arab and I guess that's understandable living their for a number of years, but the State of Israel does not practice terrorism. I would have said that is more attributable to Hamas - not the ordinary Palistinians.
It is a very complex and long history of the area - as we all know.
Roger
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If Israel was a Muslim country, Bliar and his cronies would have started an illegal war with them and invaded using stupid excuses like WMD and so on.
Israel is not a Muslim country, so in the eyes of most western governments can do exactly as they please with no comebacks at all, and can host visits from many western leaders, which must mean half wits like cameron must condone their actions.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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still no excuse to land grab like they [Israel] are doing.
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They're not land-grabbing Brian - they have done in the past I agree and then exacerbate the situation by building settlements on the land they won by conquest. A bit like all countries, including Britain.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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they are still doing it roger,not so much as they used to but still small amounts.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The carnage continues with no sign of civilised behaviour taking precedence.
I have always wondered what the UN was for other than making crass calls for a ceasefire where there was a conflict.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28468526Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I saw the distressing video on the itn news at 1830 this evening.felt absolute shock horror at seeing so many children killed and maimed,they showed a 6 month old child having shrapnel being removed without anisetic.
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Israel remains in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 242 of 1967, and others. Until they retreat behind their pre-1967 borders there is no chance of peace.The Israelis have fooled the West into accepting boots on the ground as a legitimate position. The Americans have condoned this because of the importance of the Jewish lobby in Washington political life.
Israel is the only 'democratic' country which routinely pours sophisticated ordinance into civilian areas, killing non-combatants indiscriminately. THAT IS TERRORISM. But it just acts as a recruiting sergeant for the extreme elements such as Hamas and Hizbollah, so it's counter-productive.
And they have chosen Ramadan to pursue their objectives most assiduously.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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