Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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If someone is willing to work as an unpaid intern whether for a private business, a trade union or a MP then that is their own business. What is wrong here is that any self-appointed body or the law should say they cannot do so. I have done a lot in my time unpaid, and an intern is no different to that except, of course, the experience it provides can set someone up in a well paid career longer term. You would deny them that experience and that opportunity.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Keith if you were able to calm yourself a wee bit from all the frantic electioneering you would surely clearly see that Post 58 is as Howard said at top of page..a press release about workers rights from the Government!
It has nothing to do with the Labour Party whatsoever.
On the contrary - it is quite the complete opposite.
The information is from HMGovernment, ( a coalition of Conservatives and Liberal Democrats!). It is a news release from the Government under the auspices of HMRC ( Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs) Explaining to seasonal workers etc that they are entitled to the minimum wage and if employers do not pay said wage they are breaking the law. If any worker feels exploited in this way he should ring the number shown and HMRC will redress the balance.
Simples.
Just to add this number again. The Pay and Workers Rights Helpline 0800 917 2368
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
I have been working unpaid for several years, my choice.
In case you missed it
the point was and the point you neatly avoided was:-
"Almost a fifth of British businesses have admitted to using unpaid interns to "get work done more cheaply" and prop up company profits during the recession, according to a new survey"
There is a difference between making a difference to other's, against being used for the benefit of "get work done more cheaply" ?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I avoided it - no, I ignored it as it is nonsense and even if true, so what - I really do not care as it is utterly unimportant.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barry,and a merry xmass to you to
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have to admit that i always thought that charles dickens was a social commentator for his time but now i realise that he was a visionary and based the central character of the "christmas carol" on blue barry.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
An honest reply for once, I am impressed.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#59....par for the course .....#69...took the words right out of my mouth....#65....spot on Boss.....
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Light relief..............
French pub fined €9,000 after customers returned empties to bar - because it's 'undeclared labour'
French officials have fined a pub in Brittany €9,000 for "undeclared labour" after a customer returned some empty glasses to the bar.
For customers at the Mamm-Kounifl concert-café in Locmiquélic, carrying drinks trays and used glasses back to the bar was a polite tradition.
But for social security agency URSAFF, it was also an infringement of labour laws because customers were acting like waiters, French local newspaper Le Télégramme reported.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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And you're criticising the French Reg?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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light relief
oh dear paul
good try though
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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LAURA SANDYS MP got a question in at PMQ yesterday amid the usual hurly-burly.
Here is a follow up press release and picture both dating from yesterday.
Good to see sense is beginning to prevail on this..
Sandys Calls on Prime Minister to Support Minimum Wage Increase
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South Thanet MP Laura Sandys today called for the Government to increase the minimum wage following a tranche of positive data on the British economy.
Figures from the ONS yesterday showed the economy grew by 1.9% in 2013, following the IMF's upgrade of the 2014 UK growth forecast to 2.4%. Last week also saw the announcement of the biggest quarterly fall in unemployment since 1997, meaning that there are now more people in work in the UK than ever before.
Responding to Laura's question, the Prime Minister said:
"I hope it will be possible to see the real value of the minimum wage restored. I think we should listen and allow the Low Pay Commission to do their work - I don't want to see this issue become something of a political football - but I think everybody agrees, as an economy recovers, it should be possible to restore that value"
Speaking afterwards, Laura said:
"It is important to make sure that everyone feels the benefits of this economic recovery, and I am very pleased that the Government has already frozen rail fare rises, cut fuel duty and taken many of the lowest earners out of tax altogether.
I hope that the Low Pay Commission will now take a lead from the Prime Minister and increase the minimum wage, so ordinary working people who have battled through the downturn really feel the impact of the recovery in their wallet.
"I think this will have a huge impact on East Kent workers, reinforcing the message that it really does pay to be in work, and I am so glad that the Prime Minister is as keen as I am see an increase in the minimum wage. "
Laura will be hosting the third annual Thanet Jobs Fair this summer to help local people into work.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Once again vote grubbing politics takes precedence over doing what is right for the economy and for the low paid. Clearly not even the Conservatives are immune from this kind of over-simplistic, lowest common denominator politics. Increasing the min wage will, on one hand, lock more people into low pay and, on the other hand, push up wage differentials for skilled workers, increase business costs and will reduce competitiveness. Higher prices, less employment and reduced negotiating ability over pay help no-one - these are the inevitable result of a higher mininum wage.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It will cost more and more jobs small companys take on less workers,+less non-skilled men will not get jobs all the companys do is hire more skilled men and woman because they can do both skilled and unskilled work .The boss looks at it in this way all the time saying"Why will I pay out £7 per hour for a unskilled person when for £2 more ahour I can get a fully Skilled person who ,when that person can also do the unskilled work when the need be.Also they can hire in unskilled from a hire company and can get rid of the unskilled person the very day that he needs to..And that is happing all the time.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The facts are, the uk is awash with cheap EU labour
The wages of them at the bottom, will not move up in this market,
if the minimum wage was not there, wages would probably go down ,The minimum wage has become the wage.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and don't forget zero hours contracts.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith Bibby wrote:The facts are, the uk is awash with cheap EU labour
The wages of them at the bottom, will not move up in this market,
if the minimum wage was not there, wages would probably go down ,The minimum wage has become the wage.
The market mechanism can correct that but we do need to get control over our borders to ensure that supply is kept to a manageable level. The truth is that Labour deliberately opened the floodgates to immigration for reasons of left wing dogma and Balir needed some crumbs for his lefty nutters, that being the real reason for their needing the min wage. Now the low skilled are suffering the consequences of both those policies and, as always from elft wing so called solutions, are the worse off for it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you would have only frittered it away on food to keep you alive lesley.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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And that, Lesley, is how it should work and not by some diktat upon high. An offer, a refusal or acceptance, perhaps a counter offer... What is important is to have a flow of job availability so there is a more even distribution of power between both sides. Governments interfere in that process through excessive meddling and adversely impact on the availability of jobs by damaging businesses and or the market.